and this is the nbc poll, but then you've got rasmussen and gallup. but it's all you've got. >> obviously we spend a lot more money polling than scott rasmussen does. >> he was right, though, the last couple of elections. >> not right at the end. >> yeah. >> it's what happens in the middle sometimes it seems a little bit haywire. all my point is on this is i -- we have, the two people we have conduct nbc "wall street journal," they poll for politicians, and why does that matter? because they're not polled to -- they're polled to get it right. if they're not, they don't get clients. so i'll take -- i'll take that. >> but you have 200 million people and you've got polls under 2,000 people. and i know we have statistical analysis and we talk about margins of error and everything. >> i hear you. i just -- i defend -- i could tell you. we spend a lot of money. and look, you guys use the same pollsters we do. the cnbc poll. you guys know these guys are the gold standard. we spend so much money. it is unfair -- i hate the idea that they are -- >> do you thin